Whispers Forum

DEBATE (1) Corruption
If Modi is so serious about eradication of corruption then should constitute Lok Pal and direct the state government’s to appoint Lokayukta compulsorily. Corruption can be eradicated only if the government runs by rules.
L S Hardenia
DEBTE (2) Corruption
Corruption can not be eradicated in this country. Even one thousand Modi’s can not eradicate corruption. Presently the maximum corruption is in BJP ruled states.
Kuldip Dhawan
War or Peace ?
“Military option is the fundamental guarantor of sovereignty”- spoke Xi Jinping, the mighty Chinese President. He may not be the first or only such an advocate of military option. The only thing is he is the first one in the world to prove Gautam Buddha wrong both in theory and practice. The success of the Chinese military operation in Tibet proves him right. Tibet was lost to the Chinese communist military dictatorship by the Tibetans who believed in peace as the highest ideal and goal as preached by the Great Buddha. Buddhism spread to a major part of the world on the strength of its commitment to peace and not military power. India has suffered loss of her sovereignty for more than 2500 years because of following the policy of non-violence and zero military option. Historiographers will need to carry out an honest evaluation of the consequences of pursuing hyper non-violence as mandated in the Ashokan rock inscriptions. India is not known to regain the Ashokan state power to govern after him. With a few flashes of glory interspersed in between, it has been a history of decline and suffering. The virtue, efficacy and power of peace was re-established by Mahatma Gandhi as a weapon to carry on the freedom movement. Whether it would have been a success against a China of Xi Jinping is another question. But no one should entertain any doubt about the need to make the country militarily strong to face any challenge from barbaric aggressors of the past or military dictatorships of the modern times. A country needs to guard its land, sea and air borders effectively to deter any evil intentions of an aggressor like China. India has pursued the policy of Panchsheel after Independence. It is time to review it now. The youth must be imparted military training for 5 years before they pass out senior secondary school. China lost more than India in 1962- communism was discredited globally as a result. In India, the left movement suffered grave stress which continues to haunt it even today.
M L Gupta

One hopes that India has some written assurances over and above and beyond the 29 June 2017 Press Statement of the Bhutan Foreign Affairs Ministry, to serve as the basis for the belief that Doka La or Doklam is Bhutanese territory and that Bhutan desires India to defend it under the India Bhutan Treaty of Friendship ratified on 02 March 2007.
The Indian Army derives legality for deployment in Doklam under Article 2 of the abovementioned treaty which states "Neither Government shall allow the use of its territory for activities harmful to the national security and interest of the other."
Any justification for Indian Troop movements necessarily predicates the establishment of, or at the very least, an unequivocal and categorical assertation from Bhutan that Doklam is Bhutanese territory.
The Bhutanese Foreign Ministry has avoided such a categorical public statement in the Press Statement of 29 June 2017 reproduced above, or in its statement made yesterday to the news agency ANI wherein it said, "Our position on the border issue of Doklam is very clear: Please refer to our statement which has been published on the website of Bhutan Foreign Ministry on June 29, 2017." [quoted in The Times of India, Friday August 11, 2017, New Delhi Capital Edition, Page 17.]
Whether this omission has taken place by oversight or by design, India must ask Bhutan to rectify this error and set the record straight in the public domain.
It just does not make sense to even contemplate a war, any war, however limited, on issues lacking clarity which rests on a Third Party which has allowed obfuscation to continue for almost 2 months even as China is alleging that it has contrary assurances from the same third party, viz Bhutan.
Namit Verma
Online portal for consumer complaints
There is an online portal of the Department of Consumer Affairs wherein one can load his grievance as a consumer.
B B Srivastava
Is NIC blocking websites ?
Is the NIC blocking all internet websites on all computers in all Ministries of Government of India. Is it part of a conscious policy ?
Vijay Kumar
Heartiest congratulations
Heartiest congratulations Archana. All the best for the new assignment.
R B S Rawat

Stalking case of a top bureaucrat’s daughter by the wayward son of BJP chief of Haryana, and his accomplice ,is appalling. Media reports that BJP chief’s nephew is also involved in yet another case of heinous crime of sexual misconduct. A family trait.
The stalkers were first arrested, then let off on bail by the Police. Strangely, the non-bailable charge of stalking initially included in FIR, was later deleted. Being law graduates, the culprits were familiar with gravity of the offence and accordingly activated their political contacts. Now in police custody, they have admitted to having committed the crime. The non-bailable charge of attempting to abduct under section 365 of the IPC and section 511 relating to attempt to commit an offence punishable with life or other imprisonment, has been pressed against the duo.
Let the law take its course.
The worrisome feature is, if this is the fate of a top bureaucrat’s daughter, how safe would be those poor, helpless girls with no clout and who are less fortunately circumstanced?
The police machinery is same everywhere. Corrupt, pliable, ever ready to oblige the political class. In the present, ends of justice would be met if a judicial inquiry is ordered into the conduct of Police-politicians nexus. Can’t expect anything from politicians. They consider themselves above the law.
The aggrieved girl deserves appreciation for going public in exposing the culprits. The Media must be congratulated for performing a yeoman service for fighting against VVIP culture of the political class.
A K Saxena (A retd civil servant)
Include in Black money !
Money spent out of exchequer for misuse of office, perks and facilities by the Bureaucrats, Defence Personnel and Ministers should also form a part of the black money.
Anurag Srivastava
Proper handling over of records
In how many government departments does a proper handling over of records take place? If the Information Commission keeps on imposing fine for missing records, there would not be any number of officers who would be left untouched from penalty.
Sumeet Sarkar

Raghu don't go with the rumour. Such an incident had never happened. The All India Service Officers and Group 'A' can never match the CSS officers in the matter of noting and drafting. The CSS officers go to court because of violation of the Article 14 and Article 16 of the Constitution of India. The 'Bada Babus' when they find they have lost in the CAT, they tell the Department to file a case on the High Court. Here also when the Department looses, they suggest filing of case in Supreme Court. The CSS officers never misuse office perks & facilities and milch the PSUs. The 'Bada Babus' are known for it. I have a lot of material received through the RTI Act and I propose to jam the governance wheel in the country only on account of misuse of office perks & facilities by the 'Bada Babus'.
B B Srivastava
Where to complaint against private hospitals fleecing patients ?
Can anybody help me out in letting me know which is the fora for making complaints against private hospitals fleecing patients. Courts are time consuming and costly. Cannot the Ministry of Health &FW do something about it or amend the Clinical Establishment Act to curb this loot. Or is there a nexus and nobody wants to burn his fingers.
K.S.Palachandran

My own estimates are based on presence of black or undeclared assets. Per estimates, India has close to 26000-28000 tonnes of gold, nearly 1,25 lakh tonnes of silver. Besides the quantity of diamonds and investments in land. All put together the amount of converted cash is close to 28-30 lakh crores. That is close to 4.5-5 trillion Dollars.
The estimates of gold are based on the presumption that 25-30% gold ever mined in the world had found its way to India. The total gold mined is believed to be 171000 Tonnes. This translates to 45000-50000 tonnes having come to India since the time gold has been mined in the world. However considering the pillaging of gold by invaders and then the East India company, the actual amount may have diminished to present estimation above.
Silver mining was never known in India, but fondness of the metal for utensils, Jewellery etc, meant huge imports over the years.
There is no way the value of diamonds can ever be discovered and guesstimates may peril any adventurer in this direction.
Black money has always been and still is an important component of land and property dealings. The cash component ranged from 30% to 75%. The component of cash to cheque has narrowed substantially over the years, but old cash already assimilated in the economy has nevertheless to be computed.
Ajay Agnihotri

CSS always behaves like men at Jantar Mantar and even on smallest pretext going to courts against everybody and has largest number of cases any service has against the Govt. How can they behave in such a childish manner that they can Gherao the DOPT Minister ? It would have been better had they used other foras ?
Rahgu
Definition of 'authorized service' ?
Department of Personnel & Training, representing the feudalistic minded IAS fraternity, is stalling the promotion of Central Secretariat Service Officers by raising questions about the definition of 'authorized service' in age old CSS officers. I have obtained a lot of information about misuse of office perks & facilities by the Ministers and blue colored IAS chaps. If the promotion of CSS officers is delayed any further, I will not shy away from bringing the matter of misuse of office & perks before the Press. I am also a past retired Secretary level officers.
B B Srivastava

The appellant sought information regarding the note-sheet concerning the amount of honorarium for those who were involved in a particular project and also the promotional post of Xerox Operator. The FAA stated that partial information post 2011 including inspection of the files has been provided to the appellant. The CIC directed to conduct an enquiry to examine the cause behind the six missing pages in the file no. A. 12025/6/95-GAS. The CIC further directed that the enquiry report should be submitted before the Commission within three weeks.
Comments
It is the duty of the public authority to maintain its records and failure to do so may lead to penal proceedings against those who are responsible for the safe keeping of the records. Disciplinary proceedings may be initiated against an individual for destroying any information.
Citation:: Jabardeen v. Ministry of Health & Family Welfare in F. No.CIC/NIHFW/C/2017/118524 F. No. CIC/YA/A/2016/002118, Date of Decision: 20.07.2017
Dr. Anuradha Verma (dranuradhaverma@yahoo.co.in) is the co-author of the books: RIGHT TO INFORMATION – LAW AND PRACTICE and PIO’s guide to RTI. Her other articles can be read at the website of RTI Foundation of India - Right to Information Act 2005- RTI Foundation of India

China is India's permanent enemy. We must talk tough with China and remain battle-ready. India’s candy-floss foreign policy emboldens China to wild gesticulation, over estimating its potential. India must keep enhancing its missile technology, naval quotient. All at fast pace.
China’s mindless pestering through government-controlled daily the “Global Times “ and official spokespersons deserve forceful reposte from India.
China threatens attacking India, if , it does not first withdraw troops from Doklam and stop “ interference “ in Bhutan.
India must set its own pre-conditions for settling border dispute with China on holistic basis. Aggression is the best form of defence.
Consider the following factors
China must be continuously warned about its continuous infringements of bilateral and multilateral treaties to satisfy its insatiable appetite for land
(a) China must vacate Tibet and restore its autonomy to pre- 7 October 1950 position when it was taken over by China . Guarantee of non- interference in future is a must ;
(b) Must restore Aksai Chin to India. Forcibly occupied by China in 1958. Nehru’s historic blunder.
(c) Must demolish and stop further construction at Doklam. Recall how Aksai chin road was constructed , not insidiously. But, missed out by IB. Pt Nehru broke the news to Parliament an year too late. Lot of fireworks was generated in Parliament.
(d) Must stop bullying India ;
(e) Must stop poking Bhutan;
(f ) Must stop abetting Indian Maoists ;
(g) Must stop incursions into India -- HP, AP, Sikkim, Uttaranchal
(h) Chinese intelligence is hyper-active in inciting the north-eastern militant groups. In retaliation, the unrest among the Chinese Uyghur muslim population, must be addressed.
(i ) Declare Hizbul Mujahideen chief Syed Salahuddin as a global terrorist and blocking India’s application by misusing its Veto power.
China must be warned by World powers for continuous infringements of bilateral and multilateral treaties to satisfy its insatiable appetite for land. It is increasing by the day.
A K Saxena (A retd civil servant)

I wish to share with fellow surfers my disgust and anger after reading Arundhati Roy's latest novel "The Ministry of Utmost Happiness. I hope you all have heard the name of this lady who won the Man Booker Prize for her first book in 1997.She came out with this second book after 20 years. I found it among the New arrivals in the India International Centre Library and picked it up to read. What a waste of time ? The book is neither a fiction nor history. It is simply a tirade against India for 'occupying Kashmir' and killing innocent Kashmiris by torturing them. According to her innocent boys are caught by our security people ,tortured and killed for awards and medals. In the long conflict in Kashmir some aberrations have taken place but Ms. Roy has portrayed our uniformed men worse than devils out to kill harmless ,innocent people. For her other innocents killed by jihadis do not matter. For her India is forcefully occupying Kashmir through her military. The stories of torture in her so-called fiction narrative are too gory to absorb. She is outright insulting our present Prime minister by calling him "Gujrat ka Lalla' , Manmohan Singh is Trapped Rabbit. She has insulted many leaders by using humiliating expressions for them. The book is a real trash bordering on vulgarity for use of four letter words too often and some filthy abuses too. There is no plot. Starting with a story of a hijra she rambles on to Kashmir and politics. It is disgusting to find that the book has been included in the list for Manbooker Prize again. What will foreigners think of India after reading it ? Already in a review in the "New York Review of Books' conclusion has been drawn and I quote "Roy seems to be saying: This is the country i live in. This is a nation whose citizens are capable of greed, corruption, indifference, horrific mob violence" etc. Kashmiris and Pakistanis will of course adore her for what she wrote. She has all through supported Maoists and now militants in Kashmir endorsing what Pakistan wants. My advice to her, 'please leave this country. Go live elsewhere’.
Aarti Khosla

Prime Minister's experiments are failing because he is surrounded by IAS officers, who have tried to give an impression that they are the only Civil Servants of the country. They are also other Civil Servants in the country. A Deputy Secretary level IRTS officer posted in the Charkradharpur Division of South Eastern Railway gains more experience than any IAS officer of the country. He has 10000 people working under him/her on 24 hours basis. He has to deal with 2 steel plants, several iron ore mines, several coal mines, power houses and last but not the least his own Department wherein people work and train runs on 24 hours basis. No feudalistic mentality IAS people are bothered about the welfare of other services. On one hand they say that as that are shortage of officers at the level of Director and Deputy Secretary in the central Ministries/Departments , they need to induct people from out side but on the other hand hundreds of Central Secretariat Service Officers are waiting in the wing to get promoted since long. The Ministers give commitments but they are unable to honor the same as they are reigned in by the IAS officers. The CSS officers propose to take very soon a step of mass scale VRS. As a result the working of the Government of India is going to come to a stand still.
Nivedita

The two are not comparable. The psu officers have security of job, where they can continue in their jobs, irrespective of output. Does not apply to private sector executives. If they are so keen, let these psu officers opt for private sector,they will know the difference, when they get pink slip in no time!
Samir Chatterjee
Date with RTI
After the enquiry is over, the complete details should be provided to the public or at least the concerned officer. After all, what is there to hide? If it is a judicious process, the facts should be brought out in open and available for scrutiny. The information commissioners should sit together and take a common call rather than taking differing decisions which leads to conflicting decisions and confusion.
Umashakar

I would like to request Prime Minister Narendra Modi to discard the use of word like Dalit, Backward Class (BC), OBC etc. Is it not a blot on a gentleman of India who is also first a human and last an Indian citizen. All Indians have equal rights, of whatever caste he may be. I watch media showing that atrocious deeds are being made against Dalits whereas the same may happen with any person. This use of word takes the communal happenings in India. Government should take measures to stop use of the same and must come out for some respectable word by making the people to know and understand. As on date if something happen with a Dalit/BC/OBC, it is highly highlighted which creates all the mess in India. Nowhere in the world these types of casteism remarks are seen or read. Hope we Indian will understand and themselves would come forward to stop calling Dalit/BC/OBC etc.
Ram Kumar Garg
Different yardsticks for different services in GoI
This colonial era discrimination must end sooner than later to adhere to 'Sab ka saath, sab kaa vikas'.
Parth