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It will create further confusion in the para-military forces.
A K Rai
“Delhi’s nightmare was like reliving horrors of 1984 riots”
Shaheen Bagh is not leaderless. It is not a movement, but a conspiracy. The old grannies did not receive an "ilhaam" to squat and block public space 24x7.
Riots in N-E Delhi did not happen suddenly on the spur of the moment and under an impulse. Instead, these were part of a grand strategy jointly crafted by the congis, the commies, the aaptards and others. All played into the hands of anti-nationals.
Now, the Congress supremo is preaching ‘Raj Dharma’ from the high pedestal. Shameful.
Conspiracy was hatched in advance with Pakistan's complicity. Massive preparations must have gone into the making of acid bombs, petrol bombs, mobilising stones on terraces. It must have taken weeks, even months
Was there intelligence failure, one wonders?
Delhi Police was ordered to behave like clueless nincompoops. Inert, inactive and speechless.
BJP goons went berserk. FIRs were not registered against the loose cannons. Their jingoistic utterances added fuel to fire. Headless chickens. Top leaders were busy with Donald Trump.
“Kaum ke ranj mein , dinner khaatey hain hukkaam ke saath, Ranj leader koh bahut hai magar aaraam ke saath” (Akbar Allahabadi)
A Delhi HC judge who " dared " to question Delhi police for failing to file FIRs, was transferred at late hours. Ill-advised, motivated.
Orders, as per media reports , were issued by Deptt of Justice (MHA) on Feb 12, 2020 after the approval of Supreme court collegium. If implementation of order could be delayed by over one week, it could as well be delayed by few hours till completion of hearing, the next day. This raises suspicion in public mind.
All things considered, the nightmare was a joint venture of all political parties. How brazen ?
Hamaam mei sab...?
A K Saxena (A former civil servant)

The date on which Magadh University Bodhgaya, Bihar was given permission by UGC for conducting MBA and related information was sought from the UGC. On a query by the CIC, reliance was placed by the PIO on DoPT OM dated 24.09.2010 which advises the applicant to make separate applications to the concerned public authorities for obtaining information from them. The CIC issued a strict warning to the then PIOs and the Nodal Officer for delaying the transfer of the RTI application. The CIC ruled that the PIO’s reliance on the OM of the DoPT dated 24.09.2010 is misplaced in the light of Sec 6(3) provision of the RTI Act.
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Sec 6(3) of the RTI Act provides that where an application is made to a public authority requesting for an information, which is held by another public authority or the subject matter of which is more closely connected with the functions of another public authority, the PIO of the public authority to which such application is made, shall transfer the application within five days from the date of receipt of the application (in full or pin part to that other public under intimation to the applicant.
Citation: Rajdeo Ram v. University Grants Commission in Decision no.: CIC/UGCOM/A/2018/158929/02885, Date of Decision: 13/02/2020
Dr. Anuradha Verma (dranuradhaverma@yahoo.co.in) is an expert on RTI matters and has co-authored the books RIGHT TO INFORMATION - LAW AND PRACTICE and PIO’s guide to RTI. Apart from her weekly article here, her other articles can be read at the website of RTI Foundation of India at the link: www.rtifoundationofindia.com

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The concept of an Indian Armed Police Service is a non-starter. Each one of the erstwhile paramilitary forces have a role that is specialised and specific. The CRPF AC is trained in maintenance of public order. The BSF AC is trained in border management, the ITBP AC undergoes specialised mountaineering training, SSB was raised as a local intelligence organisation, and CISF is specifically designed for facilities safety. To unify these highly specialised tasks will risk undoing the high degree of proficiency these men and women have obtained in their assigned jobs, and replace it with a broad brush type service, which is Jack of all trades, and master of none. Reliance for specialisation will fall to Sub-Inspector level staff, and the professionalism of all these organisations will nose dive.
Aditya Singh
Lateral Entry
How long it will take for lateral entry and specialisation to become a norm?
Nikul Desai
Civil Services aspirant

What kind of secular politicians India has ? They say Jai Hanuman but are afraid to say Jai Shri Ram? Hanuman is the sevak of Shri Ram and is nothing without Shri Ram- at least the Tulsi Ramcharitmanas says so. Hanuman is worshipped for only one thing: Kumati Nibar, Sumati Ke Sangi (treats evil minds and bestows good sense!). Seculars in India want to draw power from whatever source that gets them richest dividends e.g. secularism, liberalism, communalism, religion, nationalism, patriotism, localism, feminism, poverty and happiness etc. Jai Hanuman. See you at the next Sundarkand Paath somewhere Lord Hanuman !
M L Gupta

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This is an entirely feasible idea . It was implemented in the Indian Armed Forces in 1947 by setting up the National Defence Academy . This was first called JSW, in Dehradun before shifting it to Pune . The enrollment of officers starts with a UPSC examination after High School qualification by candidates . After Services Selection Board , interviews and Medical examination for fitness , a merit list is drawn up . The first 300 plus candidates are selected for joining NDA Kharavasla . This is done twice a year . The future officers of the Army , Navy , Air force are trained academically and in service subjects there which includes rigorous physical training from 6am to 10 pm every day for three years. The final Academic Exams are conducted by JNU , New Delhi . All officers must qualify this exam to get a Bachelors Degree. All officers then go to IMA / Naval Academy / Air force Academy for individual service training . On successful completion , the officers opt to become Engineers , Pilots , Armoured Corps , Infantry , Naval Surface Warfare Officers , Logistics Officers , JAG , Submariners , Air Navigation Specialists , and many such deep sub - specialisations for their future growth in the Army , Navy , Airforce. The officers remain in their respective sub specialties for about 20-25 years . As they reach the higher echelons of their service they once again mingle at National Defence College level . The officers are now being groomed for Higher Command in inter Service appointments say Flag Officer Commanding in A&N Islands / COMMANDANT NDA / COMMANDANT NDC / Flag Officer Commanding Strategic Forces and so on . Can this model which has successfully protected and guided India since 1947 be emulated in Civil Services? Of course it can for in the past when major strikes take place in the country , who runs the administration under ESMA ? The officers and men of the Army / Navy and Air force. They have run ports , factories , cities, maintained law and order in Bombay for example, and many more areas . The Indian Armed Forces Model is worth emulating by the Civil Services too . It must start at the very beginning when candidates are selected for LBS Mussorie.
Devindra Sethi
Handling of riots
While the entire world was looking towards India, its soft power and the great friendship between two great leaders Donald trump and Narendra Modi, the Home Minister Amit Shah was busy with the top security arrangements for the high profile visit. Most in the capital believe that the riot is a conspiracy to defame the country, its leaders and rob the country of its economic progress and investment climate. The country still has some brave and farsighted IPS officers who go beyond the line of duty like NSA Ajit Doval who had the courage to walk through the most affected areas and control the situation bringing great relief and assurance to Delhi citizens. This type of proactive leadership was missing in 1984 and thousands of Sikh brothers and sisters lost life.
Saboo
Withdraw Transport Allowance
When the Delhi Chief Minister has announced free DTC bus ride for women folk, then a strong case arises for taking away of 'Transport Allowance' from all women folk of the city who get it along with their monthly salary. You cannot reap two benefits from the exchequer for one purpose.
BBS

DEBATE (1) One Nation One Civil Service
This idea is neither practical nor desirable. Every service has a role to play in their own distinct field. There are certain checks and balances which some services like Indian Audit &Accounts service or other Accounts services like Indian Defence Accounts Service, Indian Civil Accounts service keep on spending departments. Once becoming part of one service everyone loses its identity. Do we merge Indian Revenue Service both Income tax and Customs and GST with all the services. How can it work. Instead of having specialists for the field one is recruited they all become jack of all trades master of none. This is a weird idea which if pursued will mean end of a well set ,well established and well defined system of administration. Already immense damage has been done to the Railway Administration by announcing off the cuff merger of all Group A services which include five Engineering services and three Group A services which are part of Civil Services Examination. For creation of any service first the Recruitment Rules are framed. Here we create a service without application of mind to what contours the service will have. The decision on the Railways has played havoc with the careers of civil servants. In the long run it is bound to create mess and confusion not conducive to the smooth run of the organisation. To replicate it on the entire bureaucracy is ill-advised and not workable at all.
Aarti Khosla
Respect dignity of the individual
It is past 70 years since the Constitution of India came in to force. People, who had suffered long slavery, humiliation of the individual, poverty, surviving malignant and hugely corrupt regimes and unable to pursue livelihood or business of choice felt elated when it assured dignity of the individual among other hopes raised by the opening words of the preamble. It is disheartening to note that individual dignity has suffered most in the journey of democracy in India in these seven decades. It is not only the political corpus which hurts dignity of the individual, instances of bureaucratic attempts at misconstruing the words & expressions of the law are aplenty which make living of the individual miserable and doing business almost impossible. It falls on the shoulders of the judiciary to deliver justice to the individual from small things like cleaning sewers, streets and public toilets to actual heinous crimes against the dignity of the person. It only adds insult to the injury if the Nirbhaya case is taken as a test case. Can there be any worse attack on the dignity of a person than rape? Even after the sentence is pronounced, it remains un-implemented under the guise of rights of the guilty and only delays justice to the victim and restore her dignity even when the public opinion strongly seeks swift punishment. Delay of the kind in rape cases is nothing more than repeated assault on the dignity of the individual. Individual dignity is torn to pieces in courts/quasi-judicial fora by lying litigants or their advocates. Surely, the Anglo-saxon jurisprudence has completely failed India, which had practiced stouter justice administration practices like the Panchayat/ refined as Nyaya Panchayat. It can be formalised to hear cases on day-to-day basis and can be presided by a qualified judge eligible to adorn the High Court/Supreme Court Bench. We have fire/medical emergency functioning 24x7 and ICU/ICCU. Similar facility can be created for crimes like rape and gang rape to protect the dignity of the individual guaranteed by the constitution without curtailing the rights of the criminals, which will deter such heinous violations of individual dignity by the swift remedy provided by the law and justice in India. Everyone entering a public office, elected or appointed is bound to adhere to, state, tell or uphold the truth to do justice to all as enshrined in the preamble, but tend to forget it in actual practice. In the process, dignity is the first casualty. Such a situation breeds inefficiency, delay, loss of productivity, corruption etc. paralysing governance ultimately. The country has experienced in these seven decades growth of corruption and decline of ease of doing business and unhappiness for the people facing difficulty in day-to-day living. Is it too much to ask the parliament and state assemblies, governments of the union and states, judiciary from the Supreme Court down to magistracy and public servants to respect the dignity of the individual and create an environment of ease of doing business and ease of living in India?
M L Gupta
Agony of officers
Thank you for publishing the agony of officers deferred for promotion despite nothing pending against them. Has the DoPT amended rules only for IRS ? Persons with CBI charge sheet are getting promoted in IPS whereas IRS officers are being humiliated by deferring promotions. Does deferring has legal sanction as per DoPT rules ? Rule of law has no place in this administration.
Kumar

It won't happen. Govt has not been able to push All India Judicial Service since 1961, inspite of Emergency and Rajiv Gandhi coming in with crushing majority.
States will never agree.
Also Central Government has not been able to make one service for gr B and below.
There is no difficulty in doing it.
Appraisers, Inspector/Supdt in Customs & GST are enjoying seniority per Commissionerate and not on all India basis.
A Agnihotri
Reservation Policy should have been discontinued
The Reservation Policy should have been discontinued long ago with a legal condition that the wards of these SC/ST/OBC would be accepted in matrimonials by the upper castes. This is one of the surest weapons to mitigate the caste system and the reservation. The caste system is eating the roots of a Sovereign, Secular, Socialist and Democratic India. The sooner it is abolished, the better with the above-mentioned legal provision. It will be the real Equality of the Equals.
Zile

DEBATE(1)
Complete mismanagement and ordeal.
Harpal Singh
DEBATE (2)
This is like saying one nation one ministry
However merger of services with similar functions is the need of the hour.All India services should be merged. There is no ground for one particular service hogging all the limelight and promotions. Merger of 8 railway services is a laudable step. Similarly all accounts based services should be merged-defence, civil, audit and accounts, cost accounts service etc. Customs and income tax services should be merged. Indian Economic and Statistical services, postal and telecom services be merged etc. There is an urgent need for overhaul of recruitment process which is long, laborious and encourages rattu totas with average intelligence. A lot of the current lot of officers are under utilised, doing repetitive work, almost redundant and deadwood by the time they spend 10 years in service. A bunch of officers are kept engaged for a work item which can easily be delivered by one officer. The evaluation system of annual confidential reports does not give a correct evaluation of the officer. It is just a reflection of the buttering, back biting and scratch my back and I scratch yours. Officers have retired at very senior posts including FA in key infrastructure ministries with disastrous results in performance and revenue downslide in the ministry witnessed during their tenure, with no questions asked. In this kind of a comfortable scenario , lining your own pockets especially before retirement is a prime mover. Urgent overhaul of recruitment, training, merger and streamlining of services is the need of the hour without further delay.
Ramesh Sinha
Merge MoD with DMA
The MoD should be merged with the DMA and handed over to the men in uniform.
Amitabh Agrawal

Appellant filed RTI application seeking information about the status of Vigilance Enquiry against Shri Balraj for alleged filing of false affidavit and related information. The Respondent submitted that similar matter was heard and adjudicated by the Commission earlier in CIC/DELJB/C/2017/156869 dated 16.05.2019 and that the investigation in the case was completed as on date. On being queried regarding the compliance of the aforementioned order directing the PIO to send a reply afresh to the Complainant within 2 weeks, no satisfactory response was offered by the Respondent. The CIC instructed the Respondent to ensure the compliance of the earlier order pronounced by the CIC and provide a revised reply to the Appellant within a period of 02 weeks from the date of this order under intimation to the CIC failing which penal action u/s 20 (1) of the RTI Act may be initiated.
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This case shows that the Information Commission does possess an independent mechanism to ensure compliance of its own orders. The number of cases where the PIO has not complied with the directions of the CIC is likely to increase in the absence of fear of penalty.
Citation: Shri MadanSain v. PIO, DJB in Second Appeal No. CIC/DELJB/A/2018/131952, Date of Decision: 14.02.2020
Dr. Anuradha Verma (dranuradhaverma@yahoo.co.in) is an expert on RTI matters and has co-authored the books RIGHT TO INFORMATION - LAW AND PRACTICE and PIO’s guide to RTI. Apart from her weekly article here, her other articles can be read at the website of RTI Foundation of India at the link: www.rtifoundationofindia.com

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My compliments for a Trust worthy ,very accurate and informative web site. I want to go a step ahead by suggesting to do away with present day egoistic and negative mindset babugiri. They are ruining the country and creating a very negative atmosphere in the country. You can bring in people specialised in the field of administration. You can have Indian Administrative Medical Service, Indian Administrative Defense services, Indian Administrative economic / Financial services. But you can’t have a defense or Health Secretary coming in from Fisheries or Agriculture ministry, .Such people should have served in Defense forces or Medical professional..
Virender Gupta
Maj Gen & above rank officers in MoD as Joint Secretaries ?
It is good. Professionalism must be encouraged.
Rajesh Gupta
“Bajrangi Bhaijaan”
CM Kejriwal orders "Sundarkand path” to be organised by Delhi’s law makers every Tuesday, ostensibly to please Bajrangbali. But, secret motive is just the opposite: Capture hindu votes. The neo-Bhakti movement is to be funded out of public exchequer of NCT Delhi.
Not to lag behind, CM UP earmarks Rs 200 crores in UP's next year's budget for building Ram temple in Ayodhya.
With the Forty-second Amendment of the Constitution of India enacted in 1976, the Preamble to the Constitution makes India a secular Republic.
Against this background, what happens to secular credentials of both the ruling dispensations ?
Monumental electoral frauds. Hypocrisy galore.
The C&AG, as custodian of public expenditure , remains the mute witness, as always, forgetting its Constitutional obligations.
A K Saxena (A former civil servant)

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In continuation of my earlier debate point, I wish to suggest new Group A Expert Civil Services in following manner :
a) Indian Natural Resources Services - Policy matters and Infrastructure for Agriculture , Soil , Seed , Horticulture , Forest , ZOO , Wildlife , Water , Animal wealth etc ,Mines /Minerals ,Ground Water ,Weather
b) Indian Health Service - Policy matters and Infrastructure for Health/Medical Education , Hospitals ,Wellness Centre , Diagnostics Centre , Health Care Trade and Industry
c) Indian Education Service - Policy matters and Infrastructure for Universities , Schools , Colleges , Teachers , Students etc
d) Indian Defence Service - Airforce , Army , Navy , BSF ,CISF ,Police
e) Indian Revenue Service - One service only after merging -CBDT+CBIC+DGFT into one
f) Indian Audit Service - Only one service after merging all audit services
h) Indian Communication Service - All India Radio + Doordarshan + Information Tech + Digital Network + Media + Mobile Service
i) Indian Social Service - Here services of retired Bureaucrats , Professional from Trade and Industry may be used in Niti Aayog , Ministries, Universities , Schools, Religious Places ,Dispute Resolutions, Courts etc
k) Indian Transport Service - Railways , Airline , Ship , Roadways
l) Indian Business Development Service - To develop manufacturing / markets in Rural, Semi Urban/Urban Areas ,Hill Areas ,Border Areas etc
S. Bhatnagar

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Though nothing wrong with it but not possible in this vast country. Every service needs specialisation.
N K Singh IPS (RETD)
Raaj-hath, the Royal Obstinacy
Redevelopment of Central Secretariat complex and Central Vista would mean demolition of Parliament House and other prestigious office buildings including Udyog, Krishi, Nirman, Shastri Bhawans and various ancillary structures Lutyens Zone — an integral part of the history of New Delhi.
In October 2019, CPWD awarded the project to a Gujarat-based company HCP Designs.
The same company had revamped Kashi Vishwanath corridor in Varanasi and the new BJP headquarters in Rouse Avenue Delhi.
All of us have grown watching these elegant buildings
Now, there will be a single triangular composite building to accommodate all ministries.
Security will be compromised by locating all ministries in a single building. A separate Parliament house will be constructed. Work will start in May 2020 and completed in 2024.
The new structures will rob the area of much of its heritage importance. Public was not consulted despite being the largest stake-holders. Sheer waste of public resources that could be diverted to strengthen existing infrastructures.
There will be utter chaos ,dislocation during the period of construction roads, clogging with traffic congestions during the three years period of construction.
PM Modi is hell-bent on undertaking the project, come what may.
An instance of Raajhath, the Royal Obstinacy. A One-man show.
A K Saxena (A former civil servant)